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Post by Christof on Sat May 01, 2010 4:31 pm

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by penguinsoldier on Sat May 01, 2010 7:30 pm

I think it is inevitable that there will be constant bickering between the two. Having read the first chapter on the website, it's already all too obvious that the characters will be stereotypical of brothers and sisters, and the relationship even more so. It will probably become a running gag, where Sadie is always punching Carter, or Carter sticking his tongue out at Sadie....Yeah, I can see that happening...

I think there will also be points in the story where they reconcile with each other, like Sadie does something street-wise and Carter says, 'Wow! You're so cool sis!' Or the other way round and Sadie says, 'Actually you're pretty smart.' Stuff like that. This is a total guess of course.
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Post by posiden#1god on Sat May 01, 2010 7:42 pm

i think that they will deffinetly have probablems but all books do that but like penguin i think that they will get to a point ware on of them thinks somethingis cool and like each other.

P.s.christof i now a book ware brother and sister fight but in the end the like each other and it's called witches and wizards by james patterson
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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by Christof on Sat May 01, 2010 9:25 pm

penguinsoldier wrote:I think it is inevitable that there will be constant bickering between the two. Having read the first chapter on the website, it's already all too obvious that the characters will be stereotypical of brothers and sisters, and the relationship even more so. It will probably become a running gag, where Sadie is always punching Carter, or Carter sticking his tongue out at Sadie....Yeah, I can see that happening...

I think there will also be points in the story where they reconcile with each other, like Sadie does something street-wise and Carter says, 'Wow! You're so cool sis!' Or the other way round and Sadie says, 'Actually you're pretty smart.' Stuff like that. This is a total guess of course.

That's the problem. It's been done so many times that it's been turned into a stereotype. The thing with brother-sister relationships is that you have to get a good balance. Too much "evilness" is just going to make it boring: we've all seen it before, and too much "goodness" is also going to make it boring: there is no drama. But you can't have both at the same time, because that is just impossible. Having Feuds wont work: we've seen it before and we know that they are going to make up, and making them like eachother more is definitely not going to work: it's been used so many times that we expect it to happen.

Ender's Game is the only book that actually has a brother/sister relationship that is extremely important, and that makes it good by actually having a good brother/sister relationship. The way that Orson Scott Card (the author of the book) does it is by not changing whether they love or hate eachother and how much, he does it by just changing the balance First Ender and Valentine (the brother and sister) love eachother equally, but then Ender loves Valentine more and Valentine loves Ender just as much as she did, only now it's less important to her. Than Valentine loves Ender more, but Ender loves Valentine less (BTW, Ender is a nickname. His real name is Andrew). What happens is that we get a really dynamic relationship that is really interesting to watch unfold.

Ofcourse, there is no comedy in Ender's Game, so it's a bit different. But still, If Rick changed the balance between Sadie and Carter, as well as mayby going just a tensy bit into the love territory at times, but never always staying there and rarely having both of them in it at the same time, he could have a great relationship huge amounts of opportunities for comedy.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by tinkerirock on Sun May 02, 2010 12:48 am

yea i agree, even if the thing seems stero-type right now, you never know what rick could do.
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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by Christof on Mon May 03, 2010 7:27 pm

tinkerirock wrote:yea i agree, even if the thing seems stero-type right now, you never know what rick could do.

Rick is going to have to pull it off, because if he didn't then TKC would be ruined to the point where I could barely read it. Please, Rick. Don't disappoint me.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by posiden#1god on Mon May 03, 2010 7:44 pm

i'd be so upset if rick cant pull it of i mean it is ment for us to have fun not be disapionted in the book.
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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by Posidonsdaughter on Fri May 07, 2010 11:27 pm

SPOILER ALERT


I have finished the book and the brother sister relationship make the book stronger. With the gods assisting them it added an entirely new dimension in their relationship. I loved the alternating narrative. Rick really made it work. I don't want to say more as I don't want to give it away. But put your fears away. This is not bickering siblings.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by riczhang on Tue May 11, 2010 2:03 am

Posidonsdaughter wrote:SPOILER ALERT


I have finished the book and the brother sister relationship make the book stronger. With the gods assisting them it added an entirely new dimension in their relationship. I loved the alternating narrative. Rick really made it work. I don't want to say more as I don't want to give it away. But put your fears away. This is not bickering siblings.


That is true but I thought that he could've made it better by making them twins instead of 2 years apart, because as everyone knows most twins are rumoured to have a special link. And Judging by how well Rick balanced this out, he could've really elaborated and improved on the twins concept and added even more depth and complexity to their relationship which would've made the book even better.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by Posidonsdaughter on Tue May 11, 2010 9:48 pm

Having sister and brother twins as my older sister and brother I can tell you they were no picnic growing up or any extra sense between each other.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by tinkerirock on Tue May 11, 2010 11:13 pm

THANKYOU!! someone understands!!

SPOILER ALERT FOR TRP:

i think so far in TRP, the relations are smooth going, because since they lived far from each other, their relationship develops more. they fight (and its very funny) but they always have each other's backs.
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Post by Posidonsdaughter on Wed May 12, 2010 12:10 am

Sadie has had friends to joke with and develop her sharp whit.

Carter being alone or just with his dad who did seem the talkative type did't give him a chance to become good at kidding.

So they are different enough to keep it interesting.

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Re: Discussion: Will relationships ruin the Kane Chronicles?

Post by riczhang on Wed May 12, 2010 12:38 am

Posidonsdaughter wrote:Having sister and brother twins as my older sister and brother I can tell you they were no picnic growing up or any extra sense between each other.

See I do, with my sister though we are not twins. I can feel how she is feeling. Like if I want to know I can tell by the temp. of the room. So if she's upset then the room will all of a sudden plummet to freezing to me, even in the summer. But then well I concentrate on something else it goes away.

I think those brackets in the book where one criticizes the other really added a positive element to the book.

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Post by posiden#1god on Wed May 12, 2010 1:03 am

It's like me and my brother only with out the magic and we live together our whole lives but i think so far it has gone good for saide and carter
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Post by Pendragon on Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:11 am

I really don't get how anyone could think relationships will spoil TRP. I mean, usually, relationships help make a story, not break it.

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Post by smoothmoves97 on Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:32 am

I agree with Pendragon. I mean, there are relationships everywhere! I guess it depends on which type of relationship you are talking about - platonic or romantic.
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Post by riczhang on Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:06 am

smoothmoves97 wrote:I agree with Pendragon. I mean, there are relationships everywhere! I guess it depends on which type of relationship you are talking about - platonic or romantic.


Platonic is brother and sister right?

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Post by marcos522 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:58 am

i agree with pendragon and smothmoves. Relationships make the story. They make you want to know how they end up.

I my opinion, In this book, relationships are ok, TYey're brother and sister, they've lived a part most of their lives. they don't really know each other. And bickering, and teasing each other is in their nature, i mean most brothers and sisters are like that.

So rerlationships make TKC better.
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Post by tinkerirock on Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:41 pm

yea, along the book, they work together more, so being apart actually helped them be together more
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Post by Posidonsdaughter on Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:53 am

Platonic means without romantic interest just friends. In all honesty Rick has shown how important the relationship between Carter and Sadie is having lost their parents and now having only each other.

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Post by riczhang on Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:25 pm

I thought that if the brother and sister separated with bitter words and then made up later would've added a unique element to the story. Like they each went on their own seperate journey to defeat set but in the end they realized how much they need each other.

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Post by tinkerirock on Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:31 pm

yea, like that might happen throughout the series. like they split up, but then on the journey they need each other
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Post by Posidonsdaughter on Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:43 pm

I really don't see that happening, In TRP their relationship was really forged back together. They have only each other and they are going to hold on tight. They know that only united will they be able to achieve what their parents started, so they will not break apart, their powers compliment each other.

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Post by riczhang on Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:07 am

I want to see another Isis and Horus fight replayed in History between Carter and Sadie, that would really add a spark to the story.

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Post by smoothmoves97 on Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:33 am

Now that I think about it that would be good.
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